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Coat - In regards to Judging
Apr 18th, 2009 at 8:11pm
 
Well I had was thinking about this the other day and had no insight on dog shows that well since I have been very limited experience (mainly book work from articles and so forth). 

I was wondering do you all see that the Chows the are awarded the Best In Breed hs very long coats (in regards to the rough).

The stanards (AKC) states "In the rough coat, the outer coat is abundant, dense, straight and offstanding, rather coarse in texture; the undercoat soft, thick and wooly". "Coat length varies markedly on different Chows and thickness, texture and condition should be given greater emphasis than length". Ofcourse structure, movement, and other breed traits must be in play, however when you all notice that they are there who usually comes on top.

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Re: Coat - In regards to Judging
Reply #1 - Apr 18th, 2009 at 9:44pm
 
Shane,
In the USA there are many many smoothes that do go BOB and on to group winnings. There have even been smoothes that have won the National, but over all it is the rough coat that wins..
Some people take and sculpture the rough so much that it looks almost like a smooth, and they do win..
Sad to say..
A rough should be a rough... A smooth a smooth... IMHO...

The coat should be  thick, dense, off standing, and not soft and droopy (my favorite, what some breeders call cotton candy)...

I do win in the ring, but I think overall the chows are based on the skeletal structure and there movement more so than coat..
In all honesty I dont think the judge can penalize you for not having proper coat.. Now Im not saying dont go and show a dog with a big hot spot on its side, or a dog that hasnt been properly conditioned..
Be Proud of the dog you take in the ring.  Take proper care of his coat, dont rip mats out, never comb a dry coat, never use a slicker brush on the outer coat, learn to line comb and how to properly remove mats, keep the dog parasite (worm,mange,fleas, ticks) free, ect. ect. ect...
It takes alot of work and conditioning to keep a chow in show condition. Also, genetics plays a big part.. Some chows just naturally have a ton of coat and very little has to be done with it. Other chows have a shorter more plush coat, and still yet, some chows seem to drip in coat, and have an over abundance of coat.
If you have any questions, please ask.
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Reply #2 - Apr 19th, 2009 at 12:59am
 
Thankyou for your reply. The reason why I was asking about it is because, the other day I was just sitting down outside with Krillan and Shadow doing an evaluation of Krillan and how he compares to the standard.

Later on I remembered that the last years judge that awarded him his CC said that he should have had more coat. Now I am not sure if he meant that he was going out of coat at that time or he needed more length. Well this year Krillan was out of coat because we started shedding from February. Mr. Gerard Penta this year made it clear that since he was shedding, he was out of coat although he still awarded him his CC.

Several times a year there are several Dog Shows that are aired on T.V., the chow that I always see win the breed are those with very long coats. So I just was wondering.

So one more question that I have for you. I assume that you saw the pic of Krillan that I had posted based on the dog show. Generally the length is the same when he is in coat, however is coat is more of standing. Have you seen roughs win with similar coat lengths?

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Reply #3 - Apr 19th, 2009 at 3:42am
 
Hi Shane,
Once Krillians coat is back in he should look   ok.. I prefer my chows to have a very dense, plush, thick coat... Where I live the hottest it ever gets is 80F and my dogs are kept in Air Conditioning the minute the temp is over 65F.
Did Krillians parents have abundant coats? Has his thyroid been checked? If it has and it was a low-medium normal often times in chows that means they need to be on thyroid meds.
How do you groom Killians coat before bathing? After bathing? During the week or do you?
If you go to my website, www.chrismachows.com ; you can see how thick and plush my dogs coats are.
There coats are more cotton candy (soft) and I have to add texturizer to them at the shows.
If I let them go, and not groom them or scissor them there hair will drag on the ground... LOL...
Do you give Krillian any supplements? what kind?
Are you feeding a good dog food?
Hair conditioning starts on the inside, so you need to make sure the dog is parasite free, and being fed a good quality dog food free of corn,soy, wheat, and by products.
If you have more questions ask.
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Reply #4 - Apr 23rd, 2009 at 12:46am
 
Having been around the ring for 20yrs now, I have watched many different judge's.  They where not all breed specialist,  some of the allrounders can not get passed the fluffy coat of a puppy and the fact that there are smooth chows as well as roughs.

One lady judge comes to mind about 10yrs ago,  -- a 2yr old black smooth standing in the ring and the judge walks over to the exhibitor and states Madam your dog is beautiful and should have obtained B.O.B today only it lacks in coat.
Huh Spectators laughed as the exhibitor explained "judge it is a smooth chow"

Then a few weeks ago, a young red dog slightly out coat was beaten by a dog with hocks a rottie would be proud of. The judge explained, that coat was more important than good movement
Was she right? I wont repeat the exhibitors comment Angry Angry

Personally I believe that confirmation is more important than coat. But when you have judged two dogs and they are equal in confirmation and movement the coat can be the decider 

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Reply #5 - Apr 23rd, 2009 at 2:11am
 
Hi.

Unfortunatly right now I wouldn't be able to reply because I only have several free minutes right now. So this coming Saturday would good for me because where I live I have no internet access.So if you don't mind waiting that would be great please.
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Reply #6 - Apr 29th, 2009 at 10:43pm
 
Hi Sherrie,

I've seen Krillan parents, his mother was severly out of coat since she had pups, his father's coat was very off standing and a little longer than the usual chow over here. I didn't bother on touching them because I was a little scared espeacially the father, because he looked grumpy (however that was just his facial expression).

I haven't had his thyroid checked. I inquired tyo his vet. She said that she generally don't recomend the thyroids to be checked unless they are showing signs of thyroid issues. However, between now and the summer (when there vaccinations are due) i'll think about it.

Well what I do before I bathe I just simply brush out the coat to make sure that it is clear for mats. I use dishwashing liquid to bathe him. The reason why I use it is because  I have use dog shampoo (the cheaps one and the expensive ones) and some mild bubble bath. The coat always turned out soft and it stays like that for couple days until like about the 4th to 5th day then it turns back to it's course texture. Then I can't remember who told me about it, I think my aunt not too sure (had Krillan's uncle). She said either diluted or a very cheap brand. i bathe twice in one sitting , clean ears out with alcohol and cotton and clean the teeth with some baking soda and guaze.

After he has been bathed, I periodically brush him out between he is wet until he is dry so that the coat would not mat. I remove whiskers, and the hair betweein the pads.  I use a thinning shears to clear around the butt, and remove some coat in the back underneath the tail on the side of the butt make it seem as if he has a higher tail set. Then I just bursh him out thoroughlly again and that is that. I use a pin brush for general brushing, i do in reverse then I go in the direction where the hair grows, however, I generally do it in sections.

I do supplement there diet. Krillan and Shadow are on a general vitamin (the brewers yeast kind) and Shadow is also on a glucosimine chroitin supplement as well. I drizzle their food with vegatable oil aswell. They are fed Exceed Chicken and Rice Performance formula. I don't have the ingredients right now, however, I do beleive that they are in the food, however they are not in the top five ingredients. I read that the most important thing is to look at the top 5, however never knew they should not be there. I would revise the ingredients again

They are on a monthly heartgard regimen, they are dewormend every other month.

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