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Message started by chowlove on Nov 1st, 2010 at 4:02pm

Title: How to
Post by chowlove on Nov 1st, 2010 at 4:02pm
How do i register my dog ??? I dotn have the papers for her ???? I know shes purebred

Title: Re: How to
Post by Merlin on Nov 1st, 2010 at 7:44pm
Welcome! Welcome!

A new chow member here and looking for papers too! Darn, what a coincidence! The same thing happened to someone else on another board too!! What a surprise!
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

For instance, in Canada, the breeder of the dog has to register your dog for you. Normally this is done before you purchase your dog, by your breeder and not after, in fact under the CKC rules, they must supply you with the registration papers at your time of purchase ( if the chow is a registered purebred of course).

Didn't you get your papers when you bought the dog? Gee, maybe the breeder forgot to give them to you?


Gee? what will you do??? :P


Title: Re: How to
Post by Seal on Nov 1st, 2010 at 9:07pm
I guess everywhere in the world it is the breeder who registers, not the owner.

Here in Holland the breeder has first to register the mating and within ten days after the the litter is born he registers the puppies.
When the puppies are about 5-6 weeks old a staff member of the Kennel Club visits the breeder and gives the puppies a chip.
After that the production of the pedigree papers for these puppies can start.
At the time the puppies leave the breeder or shortly after that moment the pedigrees are issued and can be given to the new owners.
As the finalising step the breeder registers the puppies in name of the new owner.
No other action is requested of thepuppy buyer than to sign the ownership registration form when he comes to fetch the puppy.

Only when a dog is imported one more step is needed.
Then the owner should request the Dutch Kennel Club to register the import in the Dutch pedigree book.
The pedigree from abroad should be submitted. The pedigree itself is checked (is it issued by a FCI member, or AKC, CKC or The Kennel Club in UK?)
A staff member of the Dutch Kennel Club will visit the dog to check if the chip code in the dog and on the pedigree match.
When everything is all right, the pedigree will be returned with the new Dutch NHSB number on it, accompanied by a Dutch ownership registration form.

I suppose the procedure will not be too different in other countries.

So when you are not sure about the pedigree and the registration: best ask the breeder, he or she must know.



Title: Re: How to
Post by chowlove on Nov 1st, 2010 at 10:36pm
Actually I have a 2 yrs old female, and i got her from some guy who didnt want it anymore, I had the DNA testing done, and in fact she is a purebred, but i would love to enter her in a show, which i cant since she has no papers. Merlin, you say someone else has that probleme, can you find out if they found out how to register the dog ?? Ive been on this forum for a few months now :)

Title: Re: How to
Post by Merlin on Nov 1st, 2010 at 11:36pm
You can't.

You need to have this dog registered by the breeder. If you don't know who the breeder is, then go back to the person you got the dog from and ask him where he got the dog from, then get in touch with the breeder.

Chances are good he's not from a good breeder because he would have had to take it back to the original breeder if he couldn't keep it anyways and a good breeder would have taken out a spay/neuter contract with the person to begin with.

Just because you think she's a purebred doesn't mean she has the qualities to be in the showring either and I'm sure everyone will tell you that.  Purebred doesn't mean she's within the "standard".

I have a purebred male here. He has his papers, but he weighs over 100 lbs., so he's OUT of the standard, so why am I going to continue showing him, or using him as a stud? He's too big. It's no good.


My goodness for someone who's been here since September you took a long time to say hi? :P

Title: Re: How to
Post by chowlove on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 12:58am
Yes indeed it took me a while LOL Just didnt have the time. As for the dogs breeder i dont know who they are, all i know is that the DNA resaults came back purebred....can i still register the dog with DNA ?? :(

Title: Re: How to
Post by Merlin on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 2:31am
Three conversations and two different people just told you NO you can't and you're still asking ??????

No you can't register your dog.

Oh we'd all love to see your DNA test by the way.
Why don't you post it here :)




Title: Re: How to
Post by Gurkan on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 10:04am
Is it really possible to DNA test to see if a dog is a purebred chow??

At least it's not possible in Sweden, where I live... A registration certificate is the proof of a pure bred. It's the stud book that verfies the breed, not DNA or genetics.

Title: Re: How to
Post by Merlin on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 11:45am

This person has a miraculous DNA test that can tell if chows are pure !! Isn't that amazing?? She has the only DNA test in the world that can tell if her chow is pure or not. ... so advanced... so advanced.... she must be from Quebec.. ( I hear they are just so advanced there)... so fortunate to be in an area where they have so much technology.

We only have the DNA kind that tells if one chow is related to another.... or the kind that says what dogs are made up of.... so that's why I'm just SO excited to see her NEW DNA test here. :o

I can't wait! I just can't wait!!!

Title: Re: How to
Post by Seal on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 12:32pm

wrote on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 12:58am:
Yes indeed it took me a while LOL Just didnt have the time. As for the dogs breeder i dont know who they are, all i know is that the DNA resaults came back purebred....can i still register the dog with DNA ?? :(


Yes, please, explain: why did you spend money on this DNA profile? I am most curious to hear the ratio behind this.

The only thing I can think about when it might make sense is that the dog was DNA profiled earlier and that profile is linked to an existing pedigree which you know about, I mean you know the name of the dog and the details of parents and breeder, maybe even the pedigree number.
But the pedigree paper itself is lost or withheld.

So this DNA test, done by the new owner, is meant to prove the identity of the particular dog:these two DNA profiles should be identical.

But I have never heard from a DNA test from which one can read:
a) the breed
b) the parents
c) the name of the dog.
So how could a pedigree be (re)issued on basis of a DNA test?

Thank for an explanation!




Title: Re: How to
Post by chowlove on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 2:21pm
Why are you being SO rude ?? Actually the DNA tests reveal if your dog is mixed or not, and yes its available everywhere in canada and the US the test costs 900$. And yes I have the papers from the DNA testing, No im not in Quebec, Im actually in cornwall ontario. Please dont be rude with me, Im just trying to figure out what to do, Im also thinking of getting an other chow but im still looking to see who is the best breeder around here

Title: Re: How to
Post by chowlove on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 2:27pm
http://www.vetdnacenter.com/canine.html

Title: Re: How to
Post by Seal on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 3:09pm

wrote on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 2:21pm:
Actually the DNA tests reveal if your dog is mixed or not, and yes its available everywhere in canada and the US the test costs 900$. And yes I have the papers from the DNA testing


Interesting info, wow, what a market!
Now I understand: you know you have a dog who is for 75% or more a Chow.
This however says nothing about a pedigree. That is a completely different chapter.

Your dog can very well be bred by a puppymill or backyard breeder out of unregistered 'Chows'.

But why is this such an important subject?
You can love your dog as much with as without pedigree!





Title: Re: How to
Post by Merlin on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 3:16pm
Seal, I guess people in Cornwall don't enjoy our humour. ;D ;D ;D

Oh well Chowlove. It's very easy. If you want to know a good breeder in your area call up Chow Canada. I'm sure they will happily tell you who their members are... or better still, since you only want a pet, why don't you adopt a chow instead. There are P L E N T Y looking for homes.


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But why is this such an important subject?


That's easy Seal.. Because someone went and put their foot in their mouth on another forum and now is trying to get papers for their chow mix.

Title: Re: How to
Post by chowlove on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 3:16pm
well i honestly dont care if its from a puppy mill, but she is just sooo pretty that i wanted to enrol her in contests, but its ok, ill just get an other chow to do that, as for my BABY she is wonderfull loving and nice (a little lazy though) LOL do you know where i could get a nice registered chow ?? Im looking around and so far I havent found anything. I saw 2 different breeders but i was a little worried because the parents were not very socialable.

Title: Re: How to
Post by chowlove on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 3:17pm

Merlin wrote on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 3:16pm:
Seal, I guess people in Cornwall don't enjoy our humour. ;D ;D ;D

Oh well Chowlove. It's very easy. If you want to know a good breeder in your area call up Chow Canada. I'm sure they will happily tell you who their members are... or better still, since you only want a pet, why don't you adopt a chow instead. There are P L E N T Y looking for homes.


Adopt ?? do you know anyone who has good chows to adopt ??

Title: Re: How to
Post by Merlin on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 3:25pm
Sure we do - EVERY chow rescue in North America has chows to adopt.

Naturally however most chow rescues only adopt to good homes. :)

And because most chows in rescue come from Back Yard Breeders, puppy mills and junk dealers, don't expect them to be perfect - but at LEAST they will be sterilized so they can't accidentally reproduce again.

Title: Re: How to
Post by chowlove on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 3:41pm


That's easy Seal.. Because someone went and put their foot in their mouth on another forum and now is trying to get papers for their chow mix.[/quote]

What forum is that ?? im only on this forum. Is thier an other place you can refuer me too ??

Title: Re: How to
Post by chowlove on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 3:43pm
are the dogs good with children ?? I have 4 kids under the age or 7. I wouldnt mind adopting, only i want to make sure its not agressive. As for the qualifications, there is no probleme, we have a nice big house with a BIG fencend yard, We have 1 chow (2 yrs) 2 labs (1 and 8 yrs) we had an AKITA but it passed away this summer :'(

Title: Re: How to
Post by Merlin on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 3:45pm
It's not important dear. ;)

What's important is that while you are here, you can use this board as an opportunity to learn or you can use this as a negative opportunity.

The people on this board are excellent mentors and everyone can learn new things if they open their mind.

Maybe instead of insisting on your point, you could change the type of questions so you can learn a few things in life.

As people we have choices.
We can stay stupid all our lives, or we can choose to educate ourselves. Usually the educated person ends up making better choices in their lives. They make better choices for themselves, their families and the world around them.

That is what you should focus on here.

Title: Re: How to
Post by Merlin on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 3:49pm

Quote:
nice big house with a BIG fencend yard,


That doesn't' make you a good home.
Why would you think that?

What makes a person a good home is a person who is responsible, who is willing to feed their dogs quality foods, is willing to apply themselves to the needs of the dog at all times and is willing to go to school with the dog if it's necessary. It has nothing to do with what kind of house you live in. Plenty of people live in small apartments and are excellent dog owners.

Lots of people live in large houses and abandon their dogs to the back yard and the dog never gets to see the inside of the house again.

In your case, you say you have a female that you want to show, so that would mean she's not sterilized. NO rescue will put a dog in a home that has unsterilized animals.

Title: Re: How to
Post by Merlin on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 3:51pm
As far as children goes, dogs that end up in Rescues are very rarely puppies. THey are usually mature adult dogs, so each dog has to be evaluated very differently for small children.
Some chows are ok. Other's aren't. It depends on the dogs and the policy of each individual rescue, and by the way, over 65% of chows end up in rescues B E C A U S E they bit a child.

Title: Re: How to
Post by chowlove on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 4:04pm
well i would love to see if the adoption center would have a chow thats good for us, the kids would be soo happy. My children are actually great with the dogs, they play outside with them, the eldest LOVES to brush the dogs :) As for us we are good parents (kids and dogs) all our dogs are well fed, groomed, socialized, and LOVED. We take 1 hours walks ever night with them. WE DONT beleive in zapp collars, or any violance. How do i aply for a dog ??

Title: Re: How to
Post by Merlin on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 4:15pm
If you want to see an adoption center, then go to an SPCA. Rescues don't have "centers". Dogs are kept in private homes.

You can't just "apply" for a dog. You have to see a dog, fall in love with their story,  decide that you want to help them and offer them a N E W lease on life, then contact the rescue and submit an application.

That's how rescue works.

The R E S C U E will decide if the dog fits into your lifestyle - not the other way around.

Title: Re: How to
Post by chowlove on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 4:17pm
THANK YOU SOOO MUCH can you refere me to a good shelter ?? One with a good reputation ? I just moved here so im not familiar with the area

Title: Re: How to
Post by Merlin on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 4:23pm
Like I said, do a search on petfinder, find the chow , chow mix, dog, or cat of your dreams then make the conscious decision to help them but before you bother to contact them, make sure your DNA certified chow is sterilized.

or better still.... just go to your local SPCA and add your name to their breed list. Next time they take in a chow they'll call you.

Title: Re: How to
Post by chowlove on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 4:25pm
actually she is sterilized, and she has a tattoo on her belly (greenish blue lin) where the incision was made. Thanks ill look up petfinders :)

Title: Re: How to
Post by Merlin on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 4:26pm
If she's sterilzed, then how could you even consider showing her?  Isn't that why you wanted her paper? Because you wanted to show her?

Title: Re: How to
Post by chowlove on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 4:30pm
ooo i thought that shows were just to show the beauty...like beauty pagents... well ive leared some thing new , im kind of imbarressed :-[

Title: Re: How to
Post by Merlin on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 4:52pm
You'll be even more embarrassed to know that in Cornwall ( if that's where you really live), the Bylaw stipulates that you can only have a total of 3 dogs, so I guess you can't adopt one either.

Maybe before you make decisions to show your dog or to take in another dog you could spend time educating yourself about those things FIRST. For sure you'll end up much less embarrassed.

Title: Re: How to
Post by chowlove on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 5:15pm
Only 3 dogs ???? really, ive only been here since june, and i didnt know that there was a law about that, and thats sad. Merlin, im wondering why you ar being so sarcastic with me, im only here to ask questions and learn more about chows, and i think your mistacken me for someone else. Like i said im not a chow expert and the reason why i joind this forum is to find out more about them.

Title: Re: How to
Post by Merlin on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 5:21pm

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that there was a law about that


That's interesting. Most people usually find out these things B E F O R E they move to new areas with their pets, not after they move.


Quote:
being so sarcastic

Gee, you folks in Cornwall really don't understand our humour. Oh well.......


Quote:
why i joind this forum is to find out more about them


Last I looked, you were here because you desperately need to try to register your DNA proven, purebred show dog remember?

I hope you did learn a few things in the last few days.



Title: Re: How to
Post by chowlove on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 5:25pm
look guy, i m not here to fight or anything. As for me im here for other reasons then the 1st question i posted. I really dont know what is wrong with you or why you dont like me, but i dont care just dont answer my posts thats all.
unless you have something nice or helping to say

thanks

Title: Re: How to
Post by Merlin on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 5:39pm
:) oh it must be a language thing. I guess we just don't understand each other.

Title: Re: How to
Post by chowlove on Nov 3rd, 2010 at 2:29pm
Ho Merlin, I verified what you told me about dogs in cornwall and that doesnt aply to farm owners.... so that means i can have as many dogs i want to watch my animals :)

Title: Re: How to
Post by DutchChow on Nov 4th, 2010 at 5:17pm

wrote on Nov 1st, 2010 at 4:02pm:
How do i register my dog ??? I dotn have the papers for her ???? I know shes purebred



Hi Chowlove,

An interesting question. When it would be so easy to get a registration then it opens doors for all those 'mixes' and 'look-a-like' Chow Chows.
And more money could be asked......from any unsupsecting 'potential' buyer.
I noticed several answers on this topic......

Can you tell me more about yourself since I'm missing your introductory on our forum?
Please have this done at:
Blue Tongue Talk :: Forum Stuff :: Chow!
It helps also to formulate a fitting answer for you..

Peter

Title: Re: How to
Post by Bailey on Nov 5th, 2010 at 2:13pm
Hello,

You need to have this dog registered by the breeder. If you don't know who the breeder is, then go back to the person you got the dog from and ask him where he got the dog from, then get in touch with the breeder. 

Chances are good he's not from a good breeder because he would have had to take it back to the original breeder if he couldn't keep it anyways and a good breeder would have taken out a spay/neuter contract with the person to begin with.
Just because you think she's a purebred doesn't mean she has the qualities to be in the showring either and I'm sure everyone will tell you that.  Purebred doesn't mean she's within the "standard".

Title: Re: How to
Post by DutchChow on Nov 5th, 2010 at 4:31pm

Bailey wrote on Nov 5th, 2010 at 2:13pm:
Hello,

You need to have this dog registered by the breeder. If you don't know who the breeder is, then go back to the person you got the dog from and ask him where he got the dog from, then get in touch with the breeder.

Chances are good he's not from a good breeder because he would have had to take it back to the original breeder if he couldn't keep it anyways and a good breeder would have taken out a spay/neuter contract with the person to begin with.
Just because you think she's a purebred doesn't mean she has the qualities to be in the showring either and I'm sure everyone will tell you that. Purebred doesn't mean she's within the "standard".


Ali--,

As you know there are many good reasons to go for a pure-bred Chow Chow. That means you have to stay away from puppy-mills and backyard breeders.
From an European perspective at least, only pure-bred (so registered) Chow Chows can be shown in official Shows (FCI). I guess that is also with shows under supervision by the CKC and AKC....

Peter

Title: Re: How to
Post by Merlin on Nov 5th, 2010 at 8:00pm

Quote:
Hello,

You need to have this dog registered by the breeder. If you don't know who the breeder is, then go back to the person you got the dog from and ask him where he got the dog from, then get in touch with the breeder.

Chances are good he's not from a good breeder because he would have had to take it back to the original breeder if he couldn't keep it anyways and a good breeder would have taken out a spay/neuter contract with the person to begin with.
Just because you think she's a purebred doesn't mean she has the qualities to be in the showring either and I'm sure everyone will tell you that.  Purebred doesn't mean she's within the "standard".


Gee... you wrote word for word what I wrote
??????? Is this a joke???

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